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kerry kruger

Wow, I've been waiting to see this thing for realies, looks outstanding! I'm still a little confused about how the tuning end mounts two ways, but I'll figure it out eventually. Congratulations, getting thru all the tweaks must have had you chewing your nails to the quick.
Looking forward to seeing those new gtrs.

Rick Toone

Thanks, Kerry!

Very pleased with the prototypes. The production versions are even better. I'm being absolutely ruthless about improvements and chasing perfection.

I'll soon post drawings of the tuner install and photos of the intelligent and creative mounting options our beta test luthiers have chosen to help illustrate possibilities.

Essentially the tuner can be mounted in ANY angle — relative to the string plane — from knobs pointed 20 degrees out the back of the instrument, to knobs parallel to the strings, to knobs 45 degrees out the face of the body, and all points between.

Alex

Nice to finally see the tuner. Congratulations with a fine looking product. I also have trouble visualizing how the tuner can be mounted in various angles (not to mention how and where the strings go), so I'm looking forward to drawings and of course photos of the instruments of the other luthiers.

Who are those other luthiers, btw? I remember some names from an old post, but not all.

Marc

I'm sure the full list is on this site somewhere... but I recall Novax Guitars (Ralph Novak), Forshage Guitars (Chris Forshage), Canton Guitars (Rick Canton), and RAM Guitars (Ron M..). There are a few others, though ...

Can't wait to see their finished products!

Marc

Rick Toone

...and perhaps a few surprises. :)

Sam

Discovering all the brilliantly innovative creations throughout your website make me overjoyed to be a guitarist when I am. Thank you Rick for all the amazing things you've come up with! I'm incredibly excited to see how this thing looks and works on a full project.

Mark

My late father was an experimental machinist and toolmaker, as well as being a wind and guitar player. (In fact, he designed and machined the key action for the Lyricon prototype.) - He would have loved this. It really does look more like a sculpture than guitar hardware. Like the other posters in this thread, I'm interested to see it in the context of a completed instrument.

Rick Toone

Mark — Your father seems like he was a very interesting and curious person. I would have enjoyed his critique of the hardware. This design journey has given me great respect for the art and science of machining.

Hope to share additional information soon. Stay tuned.

Timothy Coyle

Hello, Rick. I know you are just getting the kinks worked out with this one and this question is pretty early. But the one thing that has kept me away from fanned fret guitars is that it doesn't seem like any of them are capable of being used with a tremolo. Are there any plans of researching a version of this system with a tremolo? Something like this mixed with a Kahler would be awesome!

Rick Toone

Timothy — I have successfully tested the prototype tremolo version of this system. The functionality is smooth, stable and precise, with expanded pitch bend range. I will focus effort there once the fixed version is fully in production. Thanks for asking a great question!

Timothy Coyle

That is great news, Rick. I hope to see more about your tremolo design as it develops. Hopefully by the time you have it available I will have the funds to possibly commission a build. It's frustrating that the BIG guitar companies do not start designing instruments that are innovative and friendly to the body instead of regurgitating the same old same old. I am glad to see you are doing it though, and on top of that your designs stand way out of all of the other builders I have followed. Keep up the good work.

05Ric

Well done Rick!! your creativity, tenacity and persistence is wonderful to watch!

Rick Toone

Thanks, Ric!

I've got this project gripped between my teeth, like a Pitbull with a bone. It's been an intense push, but I know it will have been worthwhile. Testing the hardware has caused me to lose all interest in anything else out there...aesthetics, functionality, tone.

We're *really* close.

Jesse Higginson

Correct me if I'm wrong, but does this mean I could theoretically install this system onto an ordinary guitar body without having to modify it for headless tuner access?

Rick Toone

Jesse — I'm not certain exactly what you mean...feel free to clarify.

The bridge itself can be used to upgrade existing conventional bridges via replacement. You would need to confirm the dimensions will retrofit, because there is no standard string-height-above-body measurement for manufacturers. Once the production bridges are available to the public, I will be posting accurate scale drawings.

The tuner mechanism itself CAN be mounted in the middle of a conventional guitar body. It does NOT require placement at the tail end of the body. One of our beta testers built a beautiful semi-hollowbody Gibson-esque design with the tuner centered between the bridge and tail block.

Radical, and quite cool.

The intonation adjustable nut will not retrofit to a conventional guitar headstock, in the currently available version. That may change in the future.

Zachary Lyon

Hi Rick. I just stumbled upon your site while surfing and am blown away - especially with this headless hardware. I've been a Steinberger fan and this is really what I've been dreaming of. I'm glad to see you're considering a tremolo. Would piezo pickups be an option with this hardware?

Rick Toone

Zachary — Thanks very much. Different mechanical principles are involved with this system in comparison to Steinberger. These inherent mechanical advantages make for a very smooth, precise and effortless tuning experience.

Ned Steinberger is one of my lutherie heros, and his ground-breaking designs have literally created the market for headless tuning systems. I hope to someday meet him in person.

Yes, I am developing a version of the bridge — bass and guitar — that is piezo equipped. It will be compatible with both conventional headstock tuners as well as our TOONE & TOWNSEND body-mounted tuner.

Ermes

Curious bridge I think is very efficient, with some changes could also become a tremolo. Big, Rick! Tools and truly brilliant design and construction techniques ... sooner or later I'll write you to buy a guitar designed by you.

A Sketch 7-String Headless Guitar with tremolo would be perfect for my style of playing. Good work Rick!

Len Lauro

Been looking for, and then dreaming of, a tremolo system for my headless Kramer Duke 4 string. I'm using piccolo strings and love the possibilities but could envision more with a tremolo. Any possibilities in the future - or now?

Rick Toone

Len — I have successfully tested a multi-scale headless tremolo system for guitar. Bass might be an option at some point.

monster

Bass tremelo. Mmmmmmmmmmmmm. I'll lean on Rick about that in 2012 if the world doesn't end...again.

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Neck Profiles


  • TNP & IPNP

    Patented ergonomic profile technologies. Licensing available.

Tuning Systems


  • Nut

    Intonation adjustable.

  • Bridge

    Ultimate tone and sustain.

  • Tuner

    Precise headless tuning.

  • Neck Core

    Aircraft aluminum neck core.

Patents Pending

  • Neutral Tension Bridge™ (NTB™) (US 7,795,516), Trapezoid Neck Profile™ (TNP™) (US D630,676), Intersecting Plane Neck Profile™ (IPNP™) (US D635,182), and Intonation Cantilever™ (US 8,076,559) are patented technologies. Additional patents pending.

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